Productive Discussion
We talked about what a productive discussion is.
The Intellectual Production of Engineers p.192 had relevant content (6.2.3) Sense of body.
You have no idea what kind of sound "bird call" abstract concept describes. It would not be productive to discuss the merits or demerits of "birdcalls" in this state. First you need to bring the abstract concept closer to the somesthesis he is specifically hearing
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